1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,720 Subs created by: David Coleman. 2 00:00:05,719 --> 00:00:08,166 I just felt... (Whispers) A lot of anger. 3 00:00:08,167 --> 00:00:11,337 There was a face looking at us. 4 00:00:11,338 --> 00:00:14,123 (Amy whispers) I really don't want to go down there. 5 00:00:14,124 --> 00:00:15,825 I was absolutely spooked. 6 00:00:15,826 --> 00:00:17,380 I just feel dead here. 7 00:00:17,381 --> 00:00:18,880 There was a body in the basement. 8 00:00:18,881 --> 00:00:20,997 Bludgeoned with a hammer. (Camera shutter clicks) 9 00:00:20,998 --> 00:00:23,233 This is bad stuff. 10 00:00:23,234 --> 00:00:25,635 Well, are you afraid of something happening to you? 11 00:00:25,636 --> 00:00:26,985 Yeah. 12 00:00:26,986 --> 00:00:29,746 Very, very angry. 13 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,500 (Whispers) This guy scares me. 14 00:00:33,543 --> 00:00:35,712 My name is Amy Allan. 15 00:00:35,713 --> 00:00:36,750 (Bell tolls) 16 00:00:36,751 --> 00:00:38,190 There's something down there. 17 00:00:38,191 --> 00:00:39,892 I see dead people. 18 00:00:39,893 --> 00:00:41,293 He doesn't want me back there. 19 00:00:41,294 --> 00:00:43,629 I speak to dead people... 20 00:00:43,630 --> 00:00:45,197 She's pissed. 21 00:00:45,198 --> 00:00:46,332 And they speak to me... 22 00:00:46,333 --> 00:00:48,790 She doesn't like the people who live here. 23 00:00:48,791 --> 00:00:51,971 But there's only one way to know if my findings are real. 24 00:00:51,972 --> 00:00:53,593 Someone did hang themselves here. 25 00:00:53,594 --> 00:00:55,407 - Where? - There. 26 00:00:55,408 --> 00:00:57,093 I rely on my partner. 27 00:00:57,094 --> 00:01:00,713 I'm Steve Dischiavi. I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective... 28 00:01:00,714 --> 00:01:02,215 Did you want to kill him? 29 00:01:02,216 --> 00:01:05,851 And I know every person, every house... has secrets. 30 00:01:05,852 --> 00:01:07,559 She did die in this house. 31 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:08,911 It's my job to reveal them. 32 00:01:08,912 --> 00:01:11,313 Would you be surprised if there were bodies in this basement? 33 00:01:11,314 --> 00:01:12,218 No. 34 00:01:12,219 --> 00:01:13,776 But Steve and I never speak... 35 00:01:13,777 --> 00:01:15,694 We never communicated during an investigation... 36 00:01:15,695 --> 00:01:17,129 Until the very end... 37 00:01:17,130 --> 00:01:18,430 Not good. 38 00:01:18,431 --> 00:01:20,566 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay... 39 00:01:20,567 --> 00:01:21,667 Will it get worse? 40 00:01:21,668 --> 00:01:22,868 Or time to get out. 41 00:01:22,869 --> 00:01:24,570 - Oh, yes. - Whew. 42 00:01:24,571 --> 00:01:27,631 (Indistinct whispering) 43 00:01:44,973 --> 00:01:50,464 Steve will gather all of the facts while he's performing his investigation. 44 00:01:50,465 --> 00:01:52,141 He interviews the witnesses. 45 00:01:52,142 --> 00:01:55,000 He finds out the history. 46 00:01:55,001 --> 00:01:57,820 Then we'll come together at the end. 47 00:01:57,821 --> 00:02:02,921 And find out if there's anything that correlates. 48 00:02:03,329 --> 00:02:05,288 I'm in Asbury Park, New Jersey. 49 00:02:05,289 --> 00:02:09,192 This place was devastated by the economy and riddled with crime... 50 00:02:09,193 --> 00:02:11,027 (Siren whoops) 51 00:02:11,028 --> 00:02:13,329 But recently it's been making a comeback. 52 00:02:13,330 --> 00:02:18,850 I'm down here to see a restaurant owner named Jeffrey. 53 00:02:19,297 --> 00:02:25,197 Jeffrey owns a restaurant called "Plan B". He bought it a couple years back. 54 00:02:25,570 --> 00:02:29,073 His, uh, staff is complaining about unexplained phenomenon. 55 00:02:29,074 --> 00:02:31,157 They don't want to go in the kitchen, they don't want 56 00:02:31,158 --> 00:02:33,265 to go in the basement, they don't want to work late. 57 00:02:33,266 --> 00:02:36,503 So I'm gonna meet with him, uh, find out what's going on. 58 00:02:36,504 --> 00:02:42,204 And try to find out what the history of the building is. 59 00:02:53,239 --> 00:02:57,199 (Amy) Before I enter a location... 60 00:02:57,702 --> 00:02:59,904 Matt has already cleared that location 61 00:02:59,905 --> 00:03:04,765 of any information that may influence my walk. 62 00:03:10,215 --> 00:03:13,275 (Police radio chatter) 63 00:03:18,256 --> 00:03:21,092 (Amy) I'm, like, already starting to get physical sensations. 64 00:03:21,093 --> 00:03:23,733 (Exhales deeply) 65 00:03:24,738 --> 00:03:28,466 (Amy) En Route to the location, I start feeling physical pain. 66 00:03:28,467 --> 00:03:30,291 Which is very unusual. 67 00:03:30,292 --> 00:03:33,362 There was, like, two sharp blows. 68 00:03:33,363 --> 00:03:36,663 First I felt in my jaw. 69 00:03:38,114 --> 00:03:40,317 I don't know what that is. 70 00:03:40,318 --> 00:03:43,518 (Inhales and exhales deeply) 71 00:03:43,519 --> 00:03:49,419 Wherever I'm heading, I know that something very powerful is waiting for me. 72 00:03:59,035 --> 00:04:02,405 When I encounter the dead, I am seeing them, 73 00:04:02,406 --> 00:04:06,509 just like I'm interacting with a living person. 74 00:04:06,510 --> 00:04:10,380 But I might be communicating with residual energy... 75 00:04:10,381 --> 00:04:14,417 Or I might be communicating with dead people. 76 00:04:14,418 --> 00:04:18,488 That's what I've always been trying to find out. 77 00:04:18,489 --> 00:04:22,029 So one person's showing up. 78 00:04:29,466 --> 00:04:33,966 I just felt... (Whispers) A lot of anger. 79 00:04:39,542 --> 00:04:41,762 In where? 80 00:04:47,384 --> 00:04:50,444 There's a male here. 81 00:04:51,354 --> 00:04:54,294 Lots of anger here. 82 00:04:54,357 --> 00:04:56,577 So angry. 83 00:04:57,962 --> 00:04:59,918 (Sighs) 84 00:04:59,919 --> 00:05:02,212 The problem, to him... 85 00:05:02,213 --> 00:05:04,433 Is women. 86 00:05:06,569 --> 00:05:08,429 Ooh. 87 00:05:08,673 --> 00:05:11,253 A woman hater. 88 00:05:13,688 --> 00:05:16,628 This guy scares me. 89 00:05:33,730 --> 00:05:37,167 Jeffrey, how are ya? Steve Dischiavi. 90 00:05:37,168 --> 00:05:38,904 Hi. Nice to meet you. 91 00:05:38,905 --> 00:05:40,529 Uh, beautiful place. 92 00:05:40,530 --> 00:05:42,513 - Thank you. Thank you. - Beautiful, yeah. 93 00:05:42,514 --> 00:05:45,809 So you're having a little issue here at the restaurant? 94 00:05:45,810 --> 00:05:49,501 Just some things have been happening here that I felt might... 95 00:05:49,502 --> 00:05:52,502 Need some explaining. 96 00:05:59,856 --> 00:06:03,569 This is pretty much where I spend my time during service. 97 00:06:03,570 --> 00:06:07,164 Uh, it gives me good access to watching the front of the restaurant. 98 00:06:07,165 --> 00:06:10,305 Watching the people at the tables, also watching the kitchen, 99 00:06:10,306 --> 00:06:15,635 making sure the food is coming out right, and, um... 100 00:06:15,636 --> 00:06:20,940 More than just a few times, I'll be standing here, and... 101 00:06:20,941 --> 00:06:23,810 I hear my name being called. 102 00:06:23,811 --> 00:06:26,679 Immediately I look around, because I feel like 103 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,581 it should be someone right next to me, 104 00:06:28,582 --> 00:06:32,385 speaking to me, and there's nobody around. 105 00:06:32,386 --> 00:06:34,387 Makes my hair stand up. 106 00:06:34,388 --> 00:06:36,677 Now has anybody else that works with you, 107 00:06:36,678 --> 00:06:38,965 had their name mentioned to them that... that have... 108 00:06:38,966 --> 00:06:39,934 That I'm not sure. 109 00:06:39,935 --> 00:06:40,858 You don't know? 110 00:06:40,859 --> 00:06:42,929 (Steve) Guy thinks he's hearing his name called out. 111 00:06:42,930 --> 00:06:45,932 In a busy restaurant, acoustic-wise, that's bound to happen. 112 00:06:45,933 --> 00:06:48,902 It's not exactly proof that there's paranormal activity going on. 113 00:06:48,903 --> 00:06:50,911 All right, is there anyplace else in the restaurant 114 00:06:50,912 --> 00:06:54,474 you could show me they're having problems? Um, the basement's really pretty... 115 00:06:54,475 --> 00:06:57,595 Uh, pretty frightening. 116 00:07:04,450 --> 00:07:08,420 (Whispers) I really don't want to go down there. 117 00:07:08,421 --> 00:07:10,581 Oh, man. 118 00:07:12,892 --> 00:07:14,794 (Sighs) 119 00:07:14,795 --> 00:07:17,855 I feel like vomiting. 120 00:07:19,490 --> 00:07:21,530 (Sighs) 121 00:07:25,738 --> 00:07:30,958 Like, everything in my body just, like, I don't... 122 00:07:32,876 --> 00:07:35,495 Usually I'm fine. 123 00:07:35,496 --> 00:07:36,778 (Creaks) 124 00:07:36,779 --> 00:07:41,159 I don't know why this is bothering me. 125 00:07:45,870 --> 00:07:51,510 Have you ever been so freaking scared that you throw up? 126 00:07:51,804 --> 00:07:54,400 That's what I'm feeling right now. 127 00:07:54,401 --> 00:07:57,701 Like you know. (Chuckles) 128 00:07:59,105 --> 00:08:01,145 (Pants) 129 00:08:04,287 --> 00:08:07,319 There's something down there. 130 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,720 Oh, my God. 131 00:08:21,938 --> 00:08:23,329 (Steve) So what's going on? 132 00:08:23,330 --> 00:08:26,332 The scariest thing for me down here was, um... 133 00:08:26,333 --> 00:08:29,102 One afternoon a friend of mine and I were down here 134 00:08:29,103 --> 00:08:32,427 trying to get some stuff together, and, um... 135 00:08:32,428 --> 00:08:36,838 As we were walking down we were looking back towards this back wall here. 136 00:08:36,839 --> 00:08:38,171 Um... 137 00:08:38,172 --> 00:08:40,726 There was a face... 138 00:08:40,727 --> 00:08:45,818 That looked like it was peering through the 2x4s, looking at us. 139 00:08:45,819 --> 00:08:48,665 Can you describe the way it looked? Was it a man? 140 00:08:48,666 --> 00:08:53,014 Yeah, it was definitely a gentleman. I mean, it was just for, uh, a flash. 141 00:08:53,015 --> 00:08:55,416 Now did it look like it was an actual person, where you went 142 00:08:55,417 --> 00:08:57,672 back there and said, "maybe somebody's in the basement?" 143 00:08:57,673 --> 00:08:59,808 Yeah, I mean, we, you know, like, were kinda startled 144 00:08:59,809 --> 00:09:02,115 and then walked back there, and there was nothing there. 145 00:09:02,116 --> 00:09:05,841 - And your friend saw this also? - Yes, she did. 146 00:09:05,842 --> 00:09:09,272 It was spooky. We kinda ran up the stairs pretty quick. 147 00:09:09,273 --> 00:09:11,373 (Creaks) 148 00:09:11,952 --> 00:09:14,705 Now you must be frightened coming down here, I mean, after I'd seen 149 00:09:14,706 --> 00:09:17,005 something like that, I don't think I'd want to come down. 150 00:09:17,006 --> 00:09:18,565 It's not a place I like to come. 151 00:09:18,566 --> 00:09:21,026 (Man panting) 152 00:09:24,639 --> 00:09:27,720 I guess we should go down, but I don't really want to go down there. 153 00:09:27,721 --> 00:09:29,540 (Creaks) 154 00:09:29,541 --> 00:09:34,147 (Amy) It was unusual to be at the top of the stairs and not just run down them. 155 00:09:34,148 --> 00:09:37,150 Usually I just jump into situations 156 00:09:37,151 --> 00:09:42,459 that others probably consider not very safe or smart. 157 00:09:42,460 --> 00:09:45,325 But in this case, I really had to work through the fear 158 00:09:45,326 --> 00:09:49,628 in order to go down into the basement. 159 00:09:49,629 --> 00:09:50,653 (Bleep) 160 00:09:50,654 --> 00:09:53,414 (Chuckles) (Sighs) 161 00:09:54,167 --> 00:09:56,987 (Footsteps echoing) 162 00:10:10,035 --> 00:10:12,615 (Clears throat) 163 00:10:21,008 --> 00:10:24,728 Something did happen down here. 164 00:10:26,539 --> 00:10:29,836 It's like a hole, and, um... 165 00:10:29,837 --> 00:10:31,877 (Sighs) 166 00:10:31,973 --> 00:10:35,393 This nasty thing is there. 167 00:10:36,510 --> 00:10:39,396 Ooh. I don't like it. Not good. 168 00:10:39,397 --> 00:10:42,457 (Indistinct whispering) 169 00:10:54,635 --> 00:10:57,838 It's like a hole, and, um... 170 00:10:57,839 --> 00:10:59,873 (Sighs) 171 00:10:59,874 --> 00:11:03,294 This nasty thing is there. 172 00:11:04,611 --> 00:11:07,251 Right in there. 173 00:11:08,815 --> 00:11:13,253 (Amy) Every place has some kind of energy, whether it's positive or negative. 174 00:11:13,254 --> 00:11:18,548 It's very rare to go into a location that has no energy at all. 175 00:11:18,549 --> 00:11:23,683 I can only describe it as a void, and it's very, very scary. 176 00:11:23,684 --> 00:11:25,466 (Clicks tongue) 177 00:11:25,467 --> 00:11:27,687 (Chuckles) 178 00:11:27,831 --> 00:11:30,711 This is bad stuff. 179 00:11:34,242 --> 00:11:36,443 (Steve) I decided to interview some of Jeffrey's staff, 180 00:11:36,444 --> 00:11:38,159 to see what was going on around here. 181 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,434 I started with his Head Chef Evan. 182 00:11:40,435 --> 00:11:42,662 I'm investigating, uh, 183 00:11:42,663 --> 00:11:45,353 some of the unusual activity that's happening in this restaurant. 184 00:11:45,354 --> 00:11:47,357 Can you just give me a background of what happened 185 00:11:47,358 --> 00:11:49,629 with you and what you might have seen or heard? 186 00:11:49,630 --> 00:11:52,559 Well, actually a couple weeks ago, I was, uh, upstairs working with Benny. 187 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:55,411 And I turned around by the staircase, and I actually, uh, 188 00:11:55,412 --> 00:11:59,912 saw a man walk by and around the corner. 189 00:12:03,419 --> 00:12:07,606 And he was walking focused, and he kinda turned towards where the kitchen is 190 00:12:07,607 --> 00:12:11,838 and then just looked like he went right downstairs, but that's where I lost him. 191 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:17,402 I saw something, you know? I, uh, it wasn't me imagining, it was definitely something. 192 00:12:17,403 --> 00:12:21,581 (Steve) So now I have two witnesses that claim to have seen a male apparition. 193 00:12:21,582 --> 00:12:23,716 Once you have corroborating witnesses like that, 194 00:12:23,717 --> 00:12:26,183 you gotta take things a little bit more serious. 195 00:12:26,184 --> 00:12:29,155 At the time, did you freak out, or it was... 196 00:12:29,156 --> 00:12:31,577 I was absolutely spooked. 197 00:12:31,578 --> 00:12:34,560 I actually stepped back and looked up to Benny at that point. 198 00:12:34,561 --> 00:12:36,620 I was like, "Benny, did you see that?" 199 00:12:36,621 --> 00:12:40,880 And he was like, "no," but you knew that he has probably seen something before, 200 00:12:40,881 --> 00:12:42,871 the way he said that 201 00:12:42,872 --> 00:12:47,957 and a few weeks later, I found out that Benny has been terrified of this basement. 202 00:12:47,958 --> 00:12:52,518 Has been seeing and hearing things nonstop. 203 00:13:07,194 --> 00:13:11,631 I just feel dead here, just dead energy. 204 00:13:11,632 --> 00:13:12,973 (Creaking) 205 00:13:12,974 --> 00:13:15,485 Like, dead people or absence of... 206 00:13:15,486 --> 00:13:18,726 - (Amy) Absence. - Okay. 207 00:13:21,436 --> 00:13:23,356 Oh... 208 00:13:27,536 --> 00:13:29,456 Okay. 209 00:13:33,587 --> 00:13:36,227 (Exhales deeply) 210 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,853 There's something, like, growling at me to my left. 211 00:13:40,854 --> 00:13:43,734 (Exhales unsteadily) 212 00:13:43,798 --> 00:13:46,738 There's something... 213 00:13:47,334 --> 00:13:50,837 Laughing and growling and... (Clears throat) 214 00:13:50,838 --> 00:13:52,739 And touching my arm. 215 00:13:52,740 --> 00:13:55,320 (Clears throat) 216 00:13:58,578 --> 00:13:59,977 (Sighs) 217 00:13:59,978 --> 00:14:05,858 I'm not getting, like, a human, like, form with this thing. 218 00:14:07,327 --> 00:14:10,447 This thing is, like... 219 00:14:12,659 --> 00:14:15,299 Evil. (Chuckles) 220 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,500 Evan the Chef was sure Benny was hiding something. 221 00:14:23,501 --> 00:14:28,967 So I need to speak with Benny to find out why he's so afraid of the basement. 222 00:14:28,968 --> 00:14:30,470 How long have you been working here? 223 00:14:30,471 --> 00:14:32,528 Like, two years. 224 00:14:32,529 --> 00:14:37,649 Uh, can you explain to me what's been going on, as far as what's weird? 225 00:14:37,650 --> 00:14:40,958 Uh, I don't really like to go downstairs to the basement. 226 00:14:40,959 --> 00:14:44,428 Did something happen to you in the basement that made you feel that way? 227 00:14:44,429 --> 00:14:46,170 Yeah. 228 00:14:46,171 --> 00:14:51,869 When I go down there, I feel, um, like, weird, like somebody is downstairs... 229 00:14:51,870 --> 00:14:52,903 (Creaking) 230 00:14:52,904 --> 00:14:55,784 (Heartbeat pounding) 231 00:14:55,907 --> 00:14:58,309 Somebody's on my back. 232 00:14:58,310 --> 00:15:02,930 I feel, like, weird things, like, touch me. 233 00:15:08,308 --> 00:15:11,272 Ow. It's hurting my arm. 234 00:15:11,273 --> 00:15:12,744 (Sniffles) 235 00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:14,785 (Sighs) 236 00:15:14,926 --> 00:15:17,208 It's, like, this thing is... 237 00:15:17,209 --> 00:15:19,909 Something that... 238 00:15:23,167 --> 00:15:25,636 Really nasty... 239 00:15:25,637 --> 00:15:27,328 Dark... 240 00:15:27,329 --> 00:15:29,489 Darkness. 241 00:15:30,153 --> 00:15:32,553 What is it? 242 00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:34,879 Mm... 243 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,220 Well, um... 244 00:15:37,282 --> 00:15:41,622 I guess that the closest thing that I could relate it to... 245 00:15:41,623 --> 00:15:43,963 Would be... 246 00:15:44,569 --> 00:15:46,357 A demon. 247 00:15:46,358 --> 00:15:48,779 (Indistinct sounds) 248 00:15:48,780 --> 00:15:53,981 I've only encountered these types of entities a handful of times. 249 00:15:53,982 --> 00:15:58,662 And these things can be extremely dangerous. 250 00:15:59,145 --> 00:16:01,511 It can move objects. 251 00:16:01,512 --> 00:16:05,052 It can manipulate perception. 252 00:16:05,488 --> 00:16:06,754 It can... 253 00:16:06,755 --> 00:16:09,155 Strike fear. 254 00:16:09,860 --> 00:16:14,312 I think this one really likes to scare people. 255 00:16:14,313 --> 00:16:17,166 Are you afraid when you go down there? 256 00:16:17,167 --> 00:16:19,087 Yeah. 257 00:16:20,209 --> 00:16:22,368 Do you feel like you're in physical danger? 258 00:16:22,369 --> 00:16:24,266 Yeah. 259 00:16:24,267 --> 00:16:26,434 How many times has this happened to you? 260 00:16:26,435 --> 00:16:28,485 - Every single day. - Every time you go downstairs? 261 00:16:28,486 --> 00:16:30,406 Yeah. 262 00:16:33,341 --> 00:16:36,911 There's this root of, like... 263 00:16:36,912 --> 00:16:38,379 (Smacks lips) 264 00:16:38,380 --> 00:16:40,300 Evil. 265 00:16:42,783 --> 00:16:45,253 (Amy) I'm not sure where they come from. 266 00:16:45,254 --> 00:16:48,189 I don't know if there's a hell or anything like that, 267 00:16:48,190 --> 00:16:54,090 but what I do know is that they do exist, and they're very nasty. 268 00:16:59,183 --> 00:17:01,318 (Steve) Jeffrey moved here only three years ago, 269 00:17:01,319 --> 00:17:06,046 and he rented the building without checking into its history... 270 00:17:06,047 --> 00:17:08,452 So I need to find out if anything went wrong in that place, 271 00:17:08,453 --> 00:17:09,794 before he opened the restaurant. 272 00:17:09,795 --> 00:17:12,012 (Clicks and whirs) 273 00:17:12,013 --> 00:17:15,762 It takes me about 15 minutes to find out what happened. 274 00:17:15,763 --> 00:17:17,984 Jeffrey is gonna wish he'd spent 15 minutes doing 275 00:17:17,985 --> 00:17:21,054 a little more research before he opened his restaurant. 276 00:17:21,055 --> 00:17:23,519 There was a murder that took place in this location, 277 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,527 a brutal murder about 14 years ago. 278 00:17:27,528 --> 00:17:33,428 I'm still gonna need to speak to the people that know the most about the case. 279 00:17:42,298 --> 00:17:45,761 I got some information about this homicide that happened in '97. 280 00:17:45,762 --> 00:17:47,335 Uh, that was in an antique shop, 281 00:17:47,336 --> 00:17:49,847 uh, but being a former Detective myself, I knew the best thing 282 00:17:49,848 --> 00:17:52,363 to do was go to the detectives that, uh, worked the case. 283 00:17:52,364 --> 00:17:55,479 So if either one of yous could just, start out and just tell me, you know, 284 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,226 when you got there, what you observed and what you saw. 285 00:17:58,227 --> 00:18:01,284 We responded about 6 pm in the evening on... 286 00:18:01,285 --> 00:18:04,220 Uh, April 29th, which was a Tuesday. 287 00:18:04,221 --> 00:18:07,924 And, uh, there was a body in the basement of the building on Cookman Avenue. 288 00:18:07,925 --> 00:18:09,953 Ray Johnson was 72 years old. 289 00:18:09,954 --> 00:18:12,129 He was the owner and operator of... 290 00:18:12,130 --> 00:18:15,057 "When I was a child" collectibles, which was the scene of the crime. 291 00:18:15,058 --> 00:18:19,038 Uh, it was a pretty gruesome scene at the time. 292 00:18:19,039 --> 00:18:20,919 Vile. 293 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:22,960 (Pants) 294 00:18:26,266 --> 00:18:28,903 (Voice echoes) Yeah. 295 00:18:28,904 --> 00:18:32,084 Something happened here. 296 00:18:33,798 --> 00:18:36,273 Something with my... the right side of my face... 297 00:18:36,274 --> 00:18:39,634 (Voice echoes) On my jaw. 298 00:18:40,672 --> 00:18:44,895 Anything you can remember specifically about the body or, uh, the scene itself, 299 00:18:44,896 --> 00:18:46,874 when you guys actually got into the scene? 300 00:18:46,875 --> 00:18:52,775 We were informed by the Forensics team that the body was in the basement on the floor. 301 00:18:53,513 --> 00:18:57,353 (Amy) There's, like, an anger... 302 00:18:59,086 --> 00:19:00,766 And a... 303 00:19:00,767 --> 00:19:02,867 Despair. 304 00:19:04,065 --> 00:19:08,069 One is despair, and one is anger, and the anger is pounding on the despair. 305 00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:09,615 These are people. 306 00:19:09,616 --> 00:19:11,111 (Smacks) 307 00:19:11,112 --> 00:19:14,712 "Smack you. I'll smack you". 308 00:19:16,485 --> 00:19:19,385 Mr. Johnson's head was bludgeoned with a hammer. 309 00:19:19,386 --> 00:19:22,260 (Camera shutter clicks) 310 00:19:22,261 --> 00:19:24,301 (Pants) 311 00:19:26,293 --> 00:19:28,327 Like, "I want to smash you down". 312 00:19:28,328 --> 00:19:31,388 (Indistinct whispering) 313 00:19:53,317 --> 00:19:55,010 This is our perp? 314 00:19:55,011 --> 00:19:56,498 That is. That's, uh, Moses Farrow. 315 00:19:56,499 --> 00:20:00,323 Uh, he was ultimately arrested and charged with the homicide of Ray. 316 00:20:00,324 --> 00:20:04,590 Uh, what can you tell me about Moses, as far as, uh, his background? I, uh... 317 00:20:04,591 --> 00:20:09,024 Moses was 20 years old at the time. Uh, he was homeless. 318 00:20:09,025 --> 00:20:11,321 He was working for, uh, our victim? 319 00:20:11,322 --> 00:20:17,222 He worked for Ray for about three or four days prior, uh, to the homicide. 320 00:20:17,732 --> 00:20:20,638 In his statement to us. 321 00:20:20,639 --> 00:20:25,172 He talks about Ray coming up behind him and grabbing his buttocks. 322 00:20:25,173 --> 00:20:29,876 And he turns around and hits Ray once with the hammer. 323 00:20:29,877 --> 00:20:33,413 Uh, Ray according to him, does not go down. 324 00:20:33,414 --> 00:20:35,688 He's staggering but not down. 325 00:20:35,689 --> 00:20:39,714 He hits him a second time, and Ray goes down to the ground. 326 00:20:39,715 --> 00:20:42,951 And then he stands over him and hits him more in the head, 327 00:20:42,952 --> 00:20:44,504 while he's down on the ground. 328 00:20:44,505 --> 00:20:47,625 (Camera shutter clicks) 329 00:20:56,805 --> 00:20:58,106 (Sighs) 330 00:20:58,107 --> 00:21:01,647 ( Inhales and exhales deeply) 331 00:21:03,211 --> 00:21:07,636 (Amy) I just see, like, his energy is here. 332 00:21:07,637 --> 00:21:10,105 It's very, very... 333 00:21:10,106 --> 00:21:13,046 Solid energy, but... 334 00:21:13,684 --> 00:21:16,340 It's not like I'm talking to... 335 00:21:16,341 --> 00:21:18,201 Him. 336 00:21:20,695 --> 00:21:23,335 He's not here. 337 00:21:25,828 --> 00:21:30,403 The way that I encountered this male was as a residual energy. 338 00:21:30,404 --> 00:21:33,807 At some point, something very violent happened here. 339 00:21:33,808 --> 00:21:38,548 And a part of his personality still remains. 340 00:21:44,884 --> 00:21:48,480 He was here once, and then he left, but he left this... 341 00:21:48,481 --> 00:21:50,821 Stuff here. 342 00:21:51,125 --> 00:21:54,905 It's just what remains of him. 343 00:21:56,529 --> 00:22:02,409 His energy is here, but do you know if he is dead himself? 344 00:22:08,476 --> 00:22:11,356 I don't think so. 345 00:22:12,078 --> 00:22:14,308 He had a girlfriend that lived in Ocean Grove, 346 00:22:14,309 --> 00:22:16,905 which is the next town over from Asbury Park. 347 00:22:16,906 --> 00:22:18,248 Uh, we spoke with her. 348 00:22:18,249 --> 00:22:22,838 She... she grabbed us and said, "he told me, he did it". 349 00:22:22,839 --> 00:22:25,471 Ultimately he gets convicted, is that correct? 350 00:22:25,472 --> 00:22:31,372 That's correct. He's doing 30 years currently at Trenton State Prison. 351 00:22:32,078 --> 00:22:34,647 (Steve) The detectives were able to tell me what he did. 352 00:22:34,648 --> 00:22:39,752 Now I gotta find somebody that was close to Moses to find out why he did it. 353 00:22:39,753 --> 00:22:42,655 I spoke with the two detectives that, uh, 354 00:22:42,656 --> 00:22:44,750 locked up Moses, and they gave me your name. 355 00:22:44,751 --> 00:22:48,127 So at the time Moses was your boyfriend. 356 00:22:48,128 --> 00:22:51,662 And he lived with you on and off, and they actually apprehended him in your apartment? 357 00:22:51,663 --> 00:22:53,202 - Yes. - What I need for you to... 358 00:22:53,203 --> 00:22:56,602 If you can, is tell me what you can remember from that time. 359 00:22:56,603 --> 00:22:59,519 He showed up. I was on the phone with my girlfriend, and I was 360 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,643 washing dishes or something, and he said, "I killed my boss". 361 00:23:03,644 --> 00:23:06,517 I really just didn't believe it was true. 362 00:23:06,518 --> 00:23:10,068 I thought he was just being crazy, because, you know, who kills somebody 363 00:23:10,069 --> 00:23:13,252 and then just goes and tells somebody that you killed somebody? 364 00:23:13,253 --> 00:23:16,419 - So you weren't scared? - I was not scared of him. 365 00:23:16,420 --> 00:23:20,244 I knew he wasn't gonna do anything to me. I was never afraid of him. 366 00:23:20,245 --> 00:23:26,145 I do believe that there are events that can happen in life that can... 367 00:23:26,631 --> 00:23:32,531 Destroy someone's psyche, to a point where they don't think rationally. 368 00:23:45,700 --> 00:23:49,258 His thought processes are very... 369 00:23:49,259 --> 00:23:52,439 Distorted and disturbed. 370 00:23:53,137 --> 00:23:56,677 He doesn't perceive reality. 371 00:23:57,542 --> 00:23:59,762 And he... 372 00:24:01,412 --> 00:24:03,587 You know, he feels... 373 00:24:03,588 --> 00:24:05,628 (Sighs) 374 00:24:06,224 --> 00:24:09,460 (Inhales and exhales deeply) 375 00:24:09,461 --> 00:24:11,837 I don't like him. 376 00:24:11,838 --> 00:24:14,031 I do not like this person at all. 377 00:24:14,032 --> 00:24:17,092 (Indistinct whispering) 378 00:24:32,410 --> 00:24:33,503 (Inhales deeply) 379 00:24:33,504 --> 00:24:35,671 I do not like this person at all. 380 00:24:35,672 --> 00:24:39,032 Mnh-mnh. He was in jail. 381 00:24:39,232 --> 00:24:41,490 There was time done there. 382 00:24:41,491 --> 00:24:43,711 For what? 383 00:24:45,260 --> 00:24:48,020 Robbery, burglary. 384 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,399 Where was he in prison? 385 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,440 (Sighs) 386 00:24:53,869 --> 00:24:56,989 (Sighs) Um... not far. 387 00:24:58,776 --> 00:25:00,936 Not far. 388 00:25:02,767 --> 00:25:06,336 (Steve) I take a 30-minute ride to visit Moses at Trenton State Prison. 389 00:25:06,337 --> 00:25:09,706 I've gotten about as much background information as I can about the case. 390 00:25:09,707 --> 00:25:12,042 Now it's time to talk to the killer. 391 00:25:12,043 --> 00:25:16,013 I've interviewed a lot of people, detectives, people you may know, 392 00:25:16,014 --> 00:25:19,316 so why don't you just bring me to what brought you 393 00:25:19,317 --> 00:25:21,251 to that point on Cookman Avenue? 394 00:25:21,252 --> 00:25:22,618 I was working there. 395 00:25:22,619 --> 00:25:26,274 One day I was in the basement pulling nails out of wood. 396 00:25:26,275 --> 00:25:29,293 While I bent over to pull a nail out of the wood with the hammer, 397 00:25:29,294 --> 00:25:32,462 and Raymond Johnson walked past me and grabbed my ass. 398 00:25:32,463 --> 00:25:36,500 So I just hit him upside the head with the hammer. 399 00:25:36,501 --> 00:25:39,929 Was that the first time that had happened, that he touched you? 400 00:25:39,930 --> 00:25:41,144 Yeah. 401 00:25:41,145 --> 00:25:44,508 You didn't hit him upside the head just once, and you know, and I know that. 402 00:25:44,509 --> 00:25:50,209 Yeah. When it happened, I just turned around and hit him. 403 00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:52,979 Did you want to kill him, or did you just... 404 00:25:52,980 --> 00:25:55,585 Want to make a point by hitting him upside the head with a hammer? 405 00:25:55,586 --> 00:25:57,921 Just make a point. Don't touch me. 406 00:25:57,922 --> 00:26:03,822 You made your point nine or ten times, you know that, right? 407 00:26:08,532 --> 00:26:11,563 The demon gets angry. 408 00:26:11,564 --> 00:26:14,324 Very, very angry. 409 00:26:14,505 --> 00:26:17,745 I think it influences... 410 00:26:19,474 --> 00:26:22,174 It wreaks havoc. 411 00:26:23,213 --> 00:26:26,993 (Matt) How does it wreak havoc? 412 00:26:28,352 --> 00:26:30,152 Oh. 413 00:26:42,833 --> 00:26:47,304 When you look at your record, this came out of nowhere, this... this murder. 414 00:26:47,305 --> 00:26:50,240 It just... it... it... that... it's a little odd. 415 00:26:50,241 --> 00:26:52,409 It wasn't planned. 416 00:26:52,410 --> 00:26:54,278 Did you have thoughts of doing that to anybody, 417 00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:56,293 or even him prior to that happening? 418 00:26:56,294 --> 00:26:58,094 No. 419 00:26:58,397 --> 00:27:02,249 You'd never done anything violent in the past before this incident with Raymond? 420 00:27:02,250 --> 00:27:04,410 Mnh-mnh. 421 00:27:05,239 --> 00:27:06,552 (Exhales deeply) 422 00:27:06,553 --> 00:27:11,293 I don't know what brought me to that point. 423 00:27:13,778 --> 00:27:16,728 (Steve) When Amy sees an identifiable figure. 424 00:27:16,729 --> 00:27:22,629 She often brings in a sketch artist to put her findings down on paper. 425 00:27:29,093 --> 00:27:34,565 (Amy) So the lips are fuller on the bottom, thinner on the top. 426 00:27:34,566 --> 00:27:37,271 I just saw him pissed off. 427 00:27:37,272 --> 00:27:40,812 Yeah. Yeah. Angry. Yeah. Mm. 428 00:27:41,405 --> 00:27:44,405 His nose is, like... 429 00:27:45,053 --> 00:27:48,479 Flat, kinda like a boxer's nose, like a punch smooshed it. 430 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,400 Okay. 431 00:27:50,715 --> 00:27:52,683 How about his, uh, his eyes? 432 00:27:52,684 --> 00:27:57,724 His eyes are, like, so dark brown, almost black. 433 00:28:02,422 --> 00:28:06,982 Like, I'm feeling the anger now from him. 434 00:28:07,665 --> 00:28:09,200 (Sighs) 435 00:28:09,201 --> 00:28:12,324 Yeah, this is weird. (Chuckles) 436 00:28:12,325 --> 00:28:14,854 Okay. I thought it would just be a normal thing. 437 00:28:14,855 --> 00:28:18,442 I should've protected myself. I didn't... I had no idea. 438 00:28:18,443 --> 00:28:21,323 (Scratching echoing) 439 00:28:23,214 --> 00:28:25,974 He's right there. 440 00:28:25,975 --> 00:28:31,355 He's wearing a yellow shirt now with, like, some stuff on it. 441 00:28:31,356 --> 00:28:36,996 And he's yelling at me to shut the (Bleep) Up, (Bleep). 442 00:28:39,663 --> 00:28:43,563 I kinda want to leave. (Chuckles) 443 00:28:43,769 --> 00:28:45,278 Um, I'm just really nervous. 444 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,596 (Voice breaks) I don't like him. 445 00:28:47,597 --> 00:28:49,485 (Sighs) 446 00:28:49,486 --> 00:28:52,786 - Okay. - You all right? 447 00:28:54,411 --> 00:28:57,471 (Indistinct whispering) 448 00:29:19,077 --> 00:29:22,030 (Steve) Jeff's the reason we're here. He, uh, he owns the restaurant. 449 00:29:22,031 --> 00:29:25,556 Uh, he's having some unexplained events happen... 450 00:29:25,557 --> 00:29:28,400 - To him. Your staff... - Yes. 451 00:29:28,401 --> 00:29:32,155 Um, and it's causing some disruption for work. 452 00:29:32,156 --> 00:29:35,487 Me and Amy haven't talked since we started the investigation. 453 00:29:35,488 --> 00:29:38,733 Amy came in, and she did a walk-through, and if it's okay with you, 454 00:29:38,734 --> 00:29:42,328 I'd like to hear from her, tell us both what she saw that night. 455 00:29:42,329 --> 00:29:44,630 - Sure. That would be great. Thank you. - Okay? 456 00:29:44,631 --> 00:29:47,660 So when I came in and did the walk. 457 00:29:47,661 --> 00:29:51,204 When I got to the back of the restaurant... 458 00:29:51,205 --> 00:29:53,933 I encountered a male energy. 459 00:29:53,934 --> 00:29:59,034 And this male is very aggressive, um, very angry. 460 00:29:59,418 --> 00:30:01,781 Wow. I just felt, like... 461 00:30:01,782 --> 00:30:04,016 (Whispering) A lot of anger. 462 00:30:04,017 --> 00:30:05,605 (Sighs) 463 00:30:05,606 --> 00:30:09,102 There's a lot of anger going on here. 464 00:30:09,103 --> 00:30:15,003 We're talking about excessive amounts of rage and anger and hatred and just... 465 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:19,130 A very bad, person that dwells... 466 00:30:19,199 --> 00:30:20,834 - Right. - In this. 467 00:30:20,835 --> 00:30:24,615 And he was, like, stocky build. 468 00:30:25,038 --> 00:30:27,607 He also had, with his nose, 469 00:30:27,608 --> 00:30:31,744 um, which was probably the most distinct, um, feature... 470 00:30:31,745 --> 00:30:35,057 Uh, it looked like he had been in a lot of fights. 471 00:30:35,058 --> 00:30:40,364 Um, because it was, um, the bridge was basically smooshed in. 472 00:30:40,365 --> 00:30:43,189 I got that he was in prison. 473 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:48,230 Um, there's robbery, burglary, and weapons there. 474 00:30:48,295 --> 00:30:50,200 He... 475 00:30:50,201 --> 00:30:54,600 Has done a lot of very bad things in his life. 476 00:30:54,601 --> 00:31:00,501 Um, the other thing is, I think that this individual is still alive. 477 00:31:01,574 --> 00:31:03,976 His energy is here. 478 00:31:03,977 --> 00:31:05,811 He's not here. 479 00:31:05,812 --> 00:31:07,613 (Matt) Do you know if he is dead himself? 480 00:31:07,614 --> 00:31:09,654 (Sighs) 481 00:31:10,551 --> 00:31:12,865 I don't think so. 482 00:31:12,866 --> 00:31:15,031 So let me get this right. 483 00:31:15,032 --> 00:31:17,657 You're getting energy from somebody that's still alive? 484 00:31:17,658 --> 00:31:18,624 Potentially, yes. 485 00:31:18,625 --> 00:31:20,393 - Potentially still alive. - Yes. 486 00:31:20,394 --> 00:31:24,923 It's amazing to me, uh, your description of him, because during my research... 487 00:31:24,924 --> 00:31:28,728 Uh, and investigation of the building itself and its background. 488 00:31:28,729 --> 00:31:32,171 Um, about 14 years ago there was a male fitting that description. 489 00:31:32,172 --> 00:31:34,184 That did work in this building. 490 00:31:34,185 --> 00:31:37,722 Okay, so I'm gonna show you a photo of who I think it may be. 491 00:31:37,723 --> 00:31:40,912 You take a look at it. 492 00:31:40,913 --> 00:31:43,133 Go ahead. 493 00:31:44,687 --> 00:31:46,886 And, Amy, what are you feeling when you see this photo? 494 00:31:46,887 --> 00:31:48,421 (Clears throat) 495 00:31:48,422 --> 00:31:51,057 I'm sick to my stomach. (Chuckles) 496 00:31:51,058 --> 00:31:52,692 It's making me uncomfortable. 497 00:31:52,693 --> 00:31:54,060 Okay. (Clears throat) 498 00:31:54,061 --> 00:31:58,839 Now, uh, we brought in a sketch artist for Amy to sit with. 499 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,969 And she was able to describe who she saw the night you did the walk-through. 500 00:32:02,970 --> 00:32:04,863 I have that with me. I haven't seen it yet... 501 00:32:04,864 --> 00:32:06,539 - Okay. - And we'll... 502 00:32:06,540 --> 00:32:11,040 Maybe we'll compare and see what we got. 503 00:32:14,145 --> 00:32:17,085 - Wow. - All right. 504 00:32:24,824 --> 00:32:26,643 It's... it's... 505 00:32:26,644 --> 00:32:29,944 Uncanny how close it is. 506 00:32:30,910 --> 00:32:33,792 Now, Amy, this picture here... 507 00:32:33,793 --> 00:32:39,492 When you look at his face, does that bring you back to the night you did the walk? 508 00:32:39,493 --> 00:32:44,134 (Whispers) This guy scares me. I don't like him. 509 00:32:44,135 --> 00:32:46,215 That's, like... 510 00:32:46,216 --> 00:32:48,579 - Okay. - That's... 511 00:32:48,580 --> 00:32:49,834 Really frightening. 512 00:32:49,835 --> 00:32:52,644 This is why I had that shocked look on my face when I pulled this out, 513 00:32:52,645 --> 00:32:56,384 because I couldn't... I can't equate how she has... 514 00:32:56,385 --> 00:32:59,331 A vision of somebody that's alive, that I just spoke to. 515 00:32:59,332 --> 00:33:01,792 Oh, it's... it's... frightening. 516 00:33:01,793 --> 00:33:04,060 It's him. 517 00:33:04,061 --> 00:33:09,365 The look in his eyes, which I really tried hard to capture with the sketch... 518 00:33:09,366 --> 00:33:12,746 That... that's the thing that's really bothering me. (Laughs) 519 00:33:12,747 --> 00:33:15,269 - Yeah, I don't like this person at all. - You're making me... 520 00:33:15,270 --> 00:33:17,192 - You're making me very nervous. - I'm sorry. 521 00:33:17,193 --> 00:33:18,596 It's all right. 522 00:33:18,597 --> 00:33:21,297 ( Exhales deeply) 523 00:33:21,346 --> 00:33:22,323 So who's this? 524 00:33:22,324 --> 00:33:25,431 Well, let me just give you a little bit further of what I found out about... 525 00:33:25,432 --> 00:33:27,298 - The history of the building. - Okay. 526 00:33:27,299 --> 00:33:29,467 About 14 years ago this was an antique shop. 527 00:33:29,468 --> 00:33:31,588 Uh, it was owned by a man named Raymond Johnson. 528 00:33:31,589 --> 00:33:32,428 Okay. 529 00:33:32,429 --> 00:33:34,255 He was about a 72 year old man. 530 00:33:34,256 --> 00:33:37,909 He was viciously murdered in the basement of this building. 531 00:33:37,910 --> 00:33:40,311 I have a photo of Raymond. 532 00:33:40,312 --> 00:33:43,100 He was prominent in the gay community. 533 00:33:43,101 --> 00:33:46,749 He was nice enough to bring this individual, Moses Farrow... 534 00:33:46,750 --> 00:33:48,321 - Who was homeless. - Mm. 535 00:33:48,322 --> 00:33:50,514 He brought him in, fed him, put him to work. 536 00:33:50,515 --> 00:33:55,486 According to Moses, Raymond did a sexual advance towards him. 537 00:33:55,487 --> 00:33:59,290 And he turned around with the hammer that he had in his hand. 538 00:33:59,291 --> 00:34:02,373 And he just beat him in the head. 539 00:34:02,374 --> 00:34:05,904 I mean, he beat him between 9 and 12 times with the hammer. 540 00:34:05,905 --> 00:34:07,014 Oh, my God. 541 00:34:07,015 --> 00:34:11,695 Wow. That's, like, making some sense to me. 542 00:34:11,768 --> 00:34:13,989 In the basement... 543 00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:19,072 I did feel there was two, uh, emotions that I encountered. 544 00:34:19,073 --> 00:34:22,613 There was anger and despair. 545 00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:28,320 Anger is pounding on the despair, and... (Sighs) 546 00:34:30,130 --> 00:34:34,240 And I also had an extreme amount of pain. 547 00:34:34,241 --> 00:34:36,972 Um, specifically the right jaw. 548 00:34:36,973 --> 00:34:41,549 And then it... it went to the whole, um, right side of the head. 549 00:34:41,550 --> 00:34:45,091 The pain was just so intense. 550 00:34:45,092 --> 00:34:49,099 Something happened. Something with my... the right side of my face... 551 00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:51,984 (Voice echoes) On my jaw. 552 00:34:51,985 --> 00:34:55,132 And he was apprehended, did go to trial. 553 00:34:55,133 --> 00:34:58,824 And he is incarcerated currently in Trenton State Prison, 554 00:34:58,825 --> 00:35:00,225 maybe an hour from here. 555 00:35:00,226 --> 00:35:04,263 I did get that he was in a prison nearby. 556 00:35:04,264 --> 00:35:06,994 I'm still trying to wrap around how you get 557 00:35:06,995 --> 00:35:09,548 visions of people that are actually still alive. 558 00:35:09,549 --> 00:35:11,254 Uh, it... it's mind-boggling to me. 559 00:35:11,255 --> 00:35:16,372 I guess for me, if I knew it was someone that wasn't still alive... 560 00:35:16,373 --> 00:35:18,818 That I'd have an easier time dealing with it. 561 00:35:18,819 --> 00:35:22,017 But someone who's still alive... 562 00:35:22,018 --> 00:35:23,622 Makes me very uncomfortable. 563 00:35:23,623 --> 00:35:26,918 Even though he's still alive... 564 00:35:26,919 --> 00:35:30,466 Things can happen throughout our lives that are very traumatic. 565 00:35:30,467 --> 00:35:33,979 And sometimes when those incidents happen, 566 00:35:33,980 --> 00:35:38,070 they can disperse into the surroundings. 567 00:35:38,071 --> 00:35:41,740 And so if we have a very traumatic experience, 568 00:35:41,741 --> 00:35:45,110 or we are extremely angry like this person... 569 00:35:45,111 --> 00:35:45,914 Right. 570 00:35:45,915 --> 00:35:50,985 Um, you can leave traces of that in the environment. 571 00:35:50,986 --> 00:35:52,906 Okay. 572 00:35:53,186 --> 00:35:56,215 - I did speak with Moses' ex girlfriend. - Mm. 573 00:35:56,216 --> 00:35:59,658 She's actually the one who helped the police track him down... 574 00:35:59,659 --> 00:36:00,560 Really? 575 00:36:00,561 --> 00:36:05,358 And she felt that, you know, uh, he was ready to snap, and this was it. 576 00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:09,663 I do believe that there are events that can happen in life that can... 577 00:36:09,664 --> 00:36:11,631 Destroy someone's psyche. 578 00:36:11,632 --> 00:36:14,897 She feels that it just came to a head down in the basement here... 579 00:36:14,898 --> 00:36:16,364 - Right. - That makes sense. 580 00:36:16,365 --> 00:36:21,131 And that, when, uh, Mr. Johnson did the sexual advance... 581 00:36:21,132 --> 00:36:23,410 That, well, he says that he did, that he just snapped... 582 00:36:23,411 --> 00:36:24,500 Wow. 583 00:36:24,501 --> 00:36:28,423 But he snapped to the tune of 9 to 12 shots to the head with the hammer. 584 00:36:28,424 --> 00:36:31,041 That poses another question for me. 585 00:36:31,042 --> 00:36:36,428 If his footprint is left here, am I realizing some of his anger? 586 00:36:36,429 --> 00:36:39,729 Honestly, his footprint... 587 00:36:40,211 --> 00:36:45,337 Is not particularly capable of interacting with anyone. 588 00:36:45,338 --> 00:36:46,905 It's just a footprint. 589 00:36:46,906 --> 00:36:48,183 Let me ask you a question. 590 00:36:48,184 --> 00:36:52,011 Everybody's having, uh, a sensation of getting touched. 591 00:36:52,012 --> 00:36:55,114 And a heavy feeling in the basement. 592 00:36:55,115 --> 00:36:56,304 Mm-hmm. That makes sense. 593 00:36:56,305 --> 00:36:58,503 Well, that's what I'm trying to find out I'm a little 594 00:36:58,504 --> 00:37:01,392 confused with having an energy up here, and in the basement, 595 00:37:01,393 --> 00:37:04,022 - is where they're feeling everything. - The residual... 596 00:37:04,023 --> 00:37:07,903 Energy that he left behind is upstairs. 597 00:37:07,904 --> 00:37:13,724 Right. What you have in the basement is something different. 598 00:37:15,834 --> 00:37:18,894 (Indistinct whispering) 599 00:37:30,059 --> 00:37:34,730 The residual energy that he left behind is upstairs. 600 00:37:34,731 --> 00:37:39,342 What you have in the basement is something different. 601 00:37:39,343 --> 00:37:43,063 I went back into the basement. 602 00:37:43,099 --> 00:37:47,270 And all of sudden there was kind of this void. 603 00:37:47,271 --> 00:37:52,129 I was stumped, because usually there's some type of energy everywhere... 604 00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:54,896 - Right. - And this was just kind of... 605 00:37:54,897 --> 00:37:56,997 Nothing. 606 00:37:57,580 --> 00:38:00,917 It's like a hole, and, um... 607 00:38:00,918 --> 00:38:02,958 (Sighs) 608 00:38:03,053 --> 00:38:06,473 This nasty thing is there. 609 00:38:07,690 --> 00:38:10,330 Right in there. 610 00:38:12,228 --> 00:38:14,289 And I looked... 611 00:38:14,290 --> 00:38:17,102 And I saw this little... 612 00:38:17,103 --> 00:38:19,383 Dark mass. 613 00:38:20,141 --> 00:38:21,159 The... 614 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,100 Being approached me. 615 00:38:24,333 --> 00:38:25,846 And... 616 00:38:25,847 --> 00:38:30,665 As it was approaching me, and then touching me. 617 00:38:30,666 --> 00:38:35,823 I understood that, in fact, this thing was very old. 618 00:38:35,824 --> 00:38:38,106 Um, was never human. 619 00:38:38,107 --> 00:38:41,947 And, um, is very, very negative. 620 00:38:44,477 --> 00:38:46,343 There's something... (Clears throat) 621 00:38:46,344 --> 00:38:48,249 Touching my arm. 622 00:38:48,250 --> 00:38:49,000 (Clears throat) 623 00:38:49,001 --> 00:38:53,721 I'm not getting, like, a human, like, form with this thing. 624 00:38:53,722 --> 00:38:56,422 This thing is... 625 00:38:56,625 --> 00:38:58,545 Evil. 626 00:39:01,029 --> 00:39:05,428 This thing has been here for hundreds of years. 627 00:39:05,429 --> 00:39:06,608 - It... - How... 628 00:39:06,609 --> 00:39:10,209 Can cause things to happen... 629 00:39:11,414 --> 00:39:15,314 Bad luck, uh, emotional outbursts. 630 00:39:16,104 --> 00:39:19,138 In the Catholic religion... 631 00:39:19,139 --> 00:39:23,567 These types of things would be referred to as a demon. 632 00:39:23,568 --> 00:39:26,299 They're extremely rare. 633 00:39:26,300 --> 00:39:29,591 I've only encountered them in a handful of situations, 634 00:39:29,592 --> 00:39:32,844 and I've done hundreds of investigations. 635 00:39:32,845 --> 00:39:36,981 It's capable of manipulating an individual's thoughts and emotions. 636 00:39:36,982 --> 00:39:41,386 It can take on any form that would unnerve someone. 637 00:39:41,387 --> 00:39:44,003 Taking the opportunity to... 638 00:39:44,004 --> 00:39:47,392 Latch on to a person who is ready to snap... 639 00:39:47,393 --> 00:39:49,127 - Oh, my God. - And letting them go for it. 640 00:39:49,128 --> 00:39:50,294 Whoa. 641 00:39:50,295 --> 00:39:54,532 So whatever entity you're talking about might have caused our... 642 00:39:54,533 --> 00:39:55,499 Yes. 643 00:39:55,500 --> 00:39:57,505 Who was already an emotional wreck to begin with. 644 00:39:57,506 --> 00:39:59,966 Correct. Yes. 645 00:40:01,105 --> 00:40:03,908 Amy this has me really freaked out. 646 00:40:03,909 --> 00:40:08,557 It's... seems, uh, a lot worse than... than I anticipated. 647 00:40:08,558 --> 00:40:12,294 I've been hit pretty hard for the past five years. 648 00:40:12,295 --> 00:40:14,579 And, um, this is... 649 00:40:14,580 --> 00:40:17,564 This is, like, freaking me out. 650 00:40:17,565 --> 00:40:21,589 Can this be affecting me inside these four walls... 651 00:40:21,590 --> 00:40:24,772 And can it follow me outside these four walls? 652 00:40:24,773 --> 00:40:27,533 Um, yes to both. 653 00:40:29,077 --> 00:40:34,748 I want to tell you that there are, um, things that we can do. 654 00:40:34,749 --> 00:40:37,656 You have options available. 655 00:40:37,657 --> 00:40:40,141 One is, yes, you could move. 656 00:40:40,142 --> 00:40:44,624 Um, the other one is that we could do something proactive 657 00:40:44,625 --> 00:40:46,649 to get rid of this thing. 658 00:40:46,650 --> 00:40:49,100 We are lucky enough that... 659 00:40:49,101 --> 00:40:53,455 Out of the handful of beings that I've met like this. 660 00:40:53,456 --> 00:40:56,058 This one is very young. 661 00:40:56,059 --> 00:40:58,411 I would equate it to a baby. 662 00:40:58,412 --> 00:41:02,231 Which means it's very easy to get rid of. 663 00:41:02,232 --> 00:41:06,586 This thing right now is using negativity... 664 00:41:06,587 --> 00:41:09,887 To feed and grow itself. 665 00:41:10,256 --> 00:41:12,007 You don't have to give it that. 666 00:41:12,008 --> 00:41:16,011 You have the power now to get rid of it. 667 00:41:16,012 --> 00:41:19,615 So what do I do to try to... 668 00:41:19,616 --> 00:41:21,351 I guess, annihilate this? 669 00:41:21,352 --> 00:41:23,061 We will go through this together. 670 00:41:23,062 --> 00:41:26,387 I will show you what needs to be done. 671 00:41:26,388 --> 00:41:29,558 But you have to promise me that you will continue it here 672 00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:31,293 - and at your home and... - No problem. 673 00:41:31,294 --> 00:41:33,890 For the benefit of yourself and your employees. 674 00:41:33,891 --> 00:41:38,043 No, I promise that I will do that, and, uh, I'd like to get it started 675 00:41:38,044 --> 00:41:39,342 as soon as possible. 676 00:41:39,343 --> 00:41:41,263 Okay. 677 00:41:41,814 --> 00:41:44,034 (Creaking) 678 00:41:50,189 --> 00:41:52,264 We have a doorway here. 679 00:41:52,265 --> 00:41:55,461 So you're gonna want to just, in a circle. 680 00:41:55,462 --> 00:41:59,422 Letting the smoke purify the area. 681 00:41:59,426 --> 00:42:01,500 All negativity must leave this place. 682 00:42:01,501 --> 00:42:03,836 No negativity may remain in this place. 683 00:42:03,837 --> 00:42:07,083 Only love, light, and peace may enter. 684 00:42:07,084 --> 00:42:12,984 Sync and corrections by P2Pfiend. 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